Think Tank onto Space Race

Grant Vaughn:

Think Tank for ideas / opinions.

Topic: our rekindled "Space Race" - your thoughts about the different agencies vying to get new space projects going.

Primer: how does this affect us as Earth Relations?

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Reha Ulku:

Space race was mainly between USSR and USA between 1957-2007.

USSR had finished and became Russia. USA failed in space shuttle project. China had handled (not created) space flight knowledge. EU was never in space race. Epsilons were / are India, Japan.

After these moments:

USA has begun to liquidify NASA and leaving space race to private corporations. There are +s and –s of this process.

So how China has come as a state, Asgardia has come as a corporation.

Asgardia is 10-20 years behind of other corporations. It is not the first one, it will not be the last one.

If EU begins a space station project, she will be the luckiest one, because the one in empty place wins more in space race. And EU had been successful in macro-macro CERN and Airbus projects.

Other private corporations will be specialized. For example Japan corporations had preferred to go to asteroids and have some firsts in this field.

There is an interesting point on discussions about sending spacecraft to space:

EU is not a national organization and she does not really exist anymore after Brexit. But she still works on space topics.

So these will be jurisprudences and ruling cases for the new situations, even for Asgardia.

To me, Asgardia has 100% chance potentially, but she has made it 0% actually in 3 weeks after her declaration.

Ie Asgardia is a good example for negation.

(November 5th, 2016)

Green Asgardia or Not?

There are some realities which self satisfying green slacktivists try to ignore them:

Global problem is not global warming, but it is a new ice age which may come only in the next 50 years like it had come many times before.

With the level of carbon dioxide level of 1900, plants and microorganisms may not be able to make photosynthesis in the future because of too decreased atmospheric carbon dioxide level. In the past, 90% of atmosphere was carbon dioxide and photosynthesis had begun in these conditions.

Carbon dioxide level of atmosphere in 2000 was only twice of 1900 level, not powers of ten.

Sun light energy may be sufficient in some fields, but not in all.

So needed thing must be done, even it is ungreen, even it is against human kind’s interests, even nuclear power is needed for space ships.

We are not humanists, but we are posthumanists. We try to leave the Earth / World, not to stay there. Otherwise there would not be a space station of Asgardia.

Please think and imagine realistic, not romantic, not idealistic.

(November 3rd, 2016)

Asgardia as a Simulation and a Reality

Some simulations are more real than real, like flight simulations. Asgardia has become so.

There is a dollar billionaire, there is a billion dollars, there is enuogh UN connections, there is public relations and positive image, there are 500,000 people as potential citizens, a new country-state possibility, a new future way.

20 virtual society, well educated people, internet data base, 50 nations, at least 3 languages, 900+ statements onto 10 main topics. It has been a huge brain storming.

Using ad absurdum at this point and this moment in the 21st day of the project:

If we do all things taken averages and envelope statements of all said in the official pages of Asgardia, we will create a diseaster and a dystopia, not an utopia or a new future.

As being very surprised, I have seen those G-7 countries’ qualified people know nothing about space flight history and Asgardia is a such kind of project. Even more surprising situation has been that nobody has read no material in internet about the subject after it has been declared. People have ideas without knowledge about Asgardia. This is an intellectually insulting situation.

So Asgardia Project has been not a preventing a diseaster simulation, but instead of it it has become one how to create a diseaster from nothing. It has been failed without a real beginning.

This has been critics.

This is auto-critics:

I don’t care it and I will do nothing about it. I will only watch and record it. I will use the negation knowledge in the future. So I will not try to prevent Asgardia’s falling down.

Asgardia has fallen down like a movie title.

But there is always another Asgardia like in ‘Unthinkable’ movie.

We go-between sciencefiction and futurology.

And I run amok in space-future as a blade runner.

(November 2nd, 2016)

Asgardia Project: The Beginning Moment

Text below explains how I have perceived Asgardia Project in the last 20 days:

Asgardia citizens will be double citizens. It means that Asgardia will be a virtual country at least at the beginning.

A land, a flag, an anthem, etc will be secondary and tertiary problems. The first problem is to be recognized by UN.

Asgardia citizens will not or will not be able to decide about Asgardia UN relations.

For example: US citizens don’t determine US’s UN policy, even they don’t never know it.

Whether Asgardia citizens give or don’t give money for the project, main expenditures will be made by Ashurbeyli at least in the beginning, for example for the first satellite which will be sent in 2017-2018.

Asgardia on Earth and Asgardia in space will be 2 different parts.

Only a few of Asgardian citizens will be able to go to this space station. (A space tourist pays 40 millions dollars for going to ISS once.)

Asgardia on Earth will not have an official religion. It is expected that everyone will respect to others’ religions.

Asgardia cabinet will be mostly coordinative, ie decision taker and executer, not decision maker or planner.

500,000 citizens at first may be decreased or increased. It remains uncertainty.

The core stuff is ready and working now for Asgardia.

So:

Most of things will be / is symbolic at least in the beginning.

(November 1st, 2016)

Negative Existantialism in Space

I think, then I exist. (Descartes)

I exist, then I live.

I live, then I will die.

I will die, then I am nonexistent.

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I think, then I am nonexistent.

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I exist, than I think. (Sartre)

I think, then I live.

I live, then I will die.

I will die, then I am nonexistent.

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I exist, then I am nonexistent.

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I am nonexistent doublely.

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This is a negative existantialist argumantation example.

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Ma is a Japanese word meanings of separating, leaving, room, interval, decreasing self. It was created by Japanese modern dancers, butoh’ers.

This negative existantialism came from the shame of Japan’s defeat in WW2. They were proud of being Japans and they were ashamed of being Japans or only for defeat after WW2. This situtation is seen in animes, mangas, butohs, and Japanese movies.

Butoh dancers had left being Japan, living, even existing. They were dirty, ugly, poor, alone, and other negative things. They applied them voluntarily onto theirselves.

This was a psychological negative existantialist experience.

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Asgardia is leaving (or Ma of) mother-planet Earth project, not integrating with it. Integration with the world will basically mean assimilation of Asgardians by human beings which Asgardians totally reject.

Human being will also settle onto the Moon and onto Mars in the 21st or 22nd Century. They will be more isolated from Earth than space stations near Earth, because they will not see Earth. So they will have more chance to negative existantialism than Asgardians.

This negative existantialism in space may both inductive or deductive.

(October 27th, 2016)

Pope and Asgardia

All catholic states in the world give money to Vatican / Pope.

90 millions populated Germany gives 9 billions euros every year, ie 100 euros per person. Note: Germany has an atheist population of 3/10 ratio.

So may be they will prefer to give their taxes / money to Asgardia.

1 trillion dollars will had had been spent for around one thousand of astronauts / taikonauts / cosmonauts. It makes 1 billion dollar for each.

We accept that Pope and Asgardia has the same spiritual value level to give material value.

Then it is needed 10 millions of Asgardia citizens to pay for only 1 astronaut. Then every year will have been financed 1 astronaut more.

Non-citizens may voluntarily donate the same amount per year or for once.

Pope gives a ticket to Heaven, Asgardia will give a way to create a Heaven (Space Station).

(October 27th, 2016)

Sciencefiction-Futurology Praxis of Asgardia

Asgardia was a sciencefiction story on September 10th, 2016 and was a futurology pdoject on September 15th.

Similar examples existed in history. Cape Canevarel’s place and Nautilius’ name came from Jules Verne’s novels into reality.

And also opposite way (time reversible maker) project existed: Holland Flood Control was a diseaster controlling simulation as a serious game. It will be used in the future.

There are many examples of space states in sciencefiction.

Asgardia became a moment by moment to have been created (and also still being created) project. So it may copy or use all examples.

Asgardia will go on in 2 pieces, one on Earth, on in space. Piece on Earth may use history data base, piece in space may use examples above.

Praxis of both pieces will be very interesting mind experiment even in the moment being created.

(October 26 th, 2016)

Asgardia-Earth Relations

It was asked that Asgardia’s defence policy would be defensive of offensive in the Asgardia’s official page.

To be offensive means to be (after USA, Russia, and China) the fourth military power. It will be too expensive and citizens will not accept it.

To have a peaceful defensive system seems better.

Asgardia may find any land piece to buy from any country. There are also no man’s lands. There are also volcanic islands in the oceans newly formed.

So Asgardia will be in 2 pieces: One in space and one on Earth. Piece in space will be a modular space station like ISS. Piece on Earth will be governing center and will regulate relations with UN and other states.

Being a new state is not problem because of new states come continously. Procedure needed entering into UN is clear.

After accepted into UN, Asgardia make build space station. International laws say so.

After all this, Asgardia will be any other country.

I think that founder and administrators of Asgardia know these and will use this way.

(October 26th, 2016)

Political Timing of Asgardia Project

Declaration of this project has been at a very critical historical moment. USA and Russia is near a war in Syria. They had made to make wars many countries between themselves. This may be probably the same. Asgardia may be one of it.

Ashurbeyli as a Russian citizen in Putin Russia should or must know it. Putin knew his project and does not allow something against Russia’s benefits.

But the same is true for USA. Clinton or Trump, candidates of the next USA presidency, would not allow it to a USA citizen.

So something sounds weird. We will learn the cause of this weirdness in the next months.

It is sure that Asgardia is not a romantic and idealist utopia dream.

(October 23rd, 2016)

Defence Policy of Asgardia: Published in Internet Version

A quotation from Asgardia’s official page:

“Asgardia has an idea of protecting Earth from Asteroid. Can Asgardia protect Earth from Missile War?

In this The National Interest, then USA vs Russia will become Asgardia vs (USA + Russia)

Any ideas about the first Asgardia's defensive or offensive war?”

https://www.facebook.com/Asgardia.Diplo/

May be it is not correct or invalid, but it is missing and lacking a lot other options.

May be 10-20 countries have intercontinental missiles. May be there are 10-20 countries having them, but we don’t know yet.

At first step, China, Brasile, and India should be included.

At second step Japan, EU countries, Pakistan, Israel should be included.

US vs Russia is a dialectics condition, as thesis and antithesis, it does not matter which one is which. When Asgardia comes, it becomes trialectics or 3 dialectics. And then there will be quadralectis, and it goes on, at last there is polialectics. Polialectics has dialectics, trialectics, quadralectics, ... , N’alectics sum.

It is like a sequences-whole with increasing numbered but in decreasing sized pieces. So sum of its total is limited. End or non-end of human kind and evolutionary roads bifurcated.

The Earth can be protected on the Earth from intercontinental and even interspace missiles, not in / from the space. A very big thought instrument mistake.

Let’s make brainstorming:

There is Asgardia. There is Russia and US. Each of them is against to each of them, ie there is triello condition and it is a very interesting IQ problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner’s_dilemma

Who will collaborate and/or cooperate with who and vice versa?

As we know from history all of them will hit all, for example: Germany, USA, and USSR between 1940-1960. But exact / total end of game will be like in the movie WarGames. Everybody loose, end of humanity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames

The question forms:

Why does Ashurbeyli like to play such a dangerous game?

Is, can, or will be Asgardia against Russia or Putin?

Is Asgardia a project against Putin and/or Obama?

Does offensive war of Asgardia mean attacking to US and / or Russia?

Is end and non-end of human kind indifferent for Asgardia projectors?

Epilogue:

It sounds as much more public mental drill and mind game, but not a real application. A difference and interesting kind of propaganda and public relations. But this subject is too much taboo too.

 (October 22nd, 2016)

Political Philosophy of Asgardia

A quotation from Asgardia’s official pages:

“Asgardia is also unique from a philosophical aspect – to serve entire humanity and each and everyone, regardless of his or her personal welfare and the prosperity of the country where they happened to be born.”

https://www.facebook.com/notes/asgardia-space-politic-and-diplomacy/political-philosophy-of-asgardia/604815056393345?notif_t=notify_me_page&notif_id=1476985789330536

Incorrect and invalid.

This is a concept of the Enlightenment at the age of 4 centuries. It is said also as Humanity Race, Humanity State, Humanity Culture.

Humanism is very anthropocentric. Also its human concept is rather limited. There are many unhuman accepted human beings defined by humanists like ‘beaux sauvage’.

When you use and take on responsibility for a discourse, you take on responsibility for its falsenesses and invalidities too.

Step by step we begin to see, Asgarida is going to go which way. Someone will it see now, somewill see it in notime. After this point, it is taboo.

Let’s go back the main discussion:

Rough and attractive concepts are used. But then don’t have real contexts. Appliable contexts.

Earthlings 2 was a fictive example, but unsuccessful Sphere 2 was a real example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere_Project

“The project's concept comprises three parts – philosophical, legal and scientific/technological.”

(Asgardia page.)

Legal and scientific / technological parts are very limited. We have enough data coming from the past events. But theoric conceptual framework would be Kakeya Trees, a geometric model, allowing for limit to infinite numbered behaviors in a limit to zero area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakeya_set

It means 3 things:

One: Life is always limited.

Two: With 0 possibilities you can create infinite objects, but only if you have valid and applicable mental tools, ie concepts, statements, theories etc.

Three: You should /must have real life data to create an utopia or a new project.

So our main discussions will be and go on being on philosophical subjects.

Today’s proverb:

Utopias becomes dystopias when they are applied, becuase of they were not thougt to be applied, and also they were not applicable.

And added also: It goes on in this order: Theory first, practice second, praxis (synthesis of theory and practice) last.

(October 22nd, 2016)

Democracy or No-Democracy for Asgardia

Democracy is a tricky concept.

It is said that there was democracy in Antic Greek, but there were slaves also there. Slavery does not exist in democracy.

It is said that there are democracies in UE countries, but there are also kingdoms there. Kingdomship and democracy is contradictory.

Vatican is a sovereign state, plus an observer member of UN and takes taxes from all catholic populated countries. For example 10-11 US dollars from Germany every year and she has 1/3 population of atheists. This is not democratic. Because they are not asked to give it or not.

Theocracy and democracy is contradictory.

It goes on so and later after is taboo, so it is not written.

All the same for Asgardia.

Asgardia official rulers have declared a cabinet, but not a politicial system.

There will be election has been said, but except with a few exceptions, all states have election systems.

They have not said that twere will a real democratic political system in Asgardia.

(October 22nd, 2016)

Ministries of Asgardia

Is is official declaration of Asgardia:

“1. Ministry of Science

2. Ministry of Industry

3. Ministry of Space

4. Ministry of Youth and Education

5. Ministry of Integration

6. Ministry of Information and Communication

7. Ministry of Foreign Affairs

8. Ministry of Trade and Commerce

9. Ministry of Finance

10. Ministry of Safety and Security

11. Ministry of Justice”

https://asgardia.space/government

To me:

The first 3 are the same and should be 1 ministry. The name is not important.

Trade, Commerce, and Finance should be 1 ministry. The name is not important.

Safety, Security, and Justice should be 1 ministry. The name is not important.

It  makes totally 7.

It means no senate or chamber of representatives.

It sounds to me as USA’s cabinet.

It sounds like political oligarchy.

It will need non-govermental institutions also.

It will need committees also.

The cabinet should physically be on the Earth.

The cabinet may have members from non-citizens of Asgardia.

It means really separation of 3 main forces: Judicial, legislature, and executive body. And it may also separate them as citizens and non-citizens.

No other ministry command.

(October 21st, 2016)

Human Scientific Simulations and Estimations for Asgardia Space State for 2020-2050

Hardware structure is limited and certain at the beginning:

Modular structure with having 10-20 populated modules. There is no theoric limit for numbers of modules, but there is limit coming from money. My guess is about 100-150 people population at most for 2020-2050, may be till the end of 21st Century.

These modules’ people may be selected from different nations / languages or only from one. I offer to try all options to see and make social experiments / observations. There is a lot of data coming from other space stations’ history and also commune type groups on the Earth.

These communes-modules may select their governing system or accept one offered. They should be free. They will not be like astronauts, they will decide for theirselves, and they will pay it even sometimes with their lives because of problems cretaed by their decisions.

As seen on commune groups on the Earth social behaviors, it seems that they will behave something like Brownian motion to all directions. And the final panorama may be observed in limit conditions, but not in a shorter time than 30 years.

People will repeat the same human mistakes they have done on the Earth, and a few decades later they will be able to learn to create new systems and to behave newly.

A few diseasters are expected like ones in the space flight diseaster history. Also there will be at least 2 of 4 (water, food, energy, economic) macro global crisis on the Earth. There will be uncontinuities in modules’ supplying during these crises. So modules must be physically sufficient to theirselves at least for 9 months. It may be built an extra crisis module-unit.

This period is not state period, but it is proto-state period. Data coming from this period will say us whether we will succeed to stay in space or not.

I focuse on this period mostly. And then I guess the same possibilites and probabilites will be seen as in ‘5 millennia World System history’. Human species will may be to have learned to create different things from the Earth at least in many centuries in the space. It is a long futurology story, but not sciencefiction anymore.

Footnote: I am mostly interested in diseaster management in space as a serious game project, I will focus on it.

(October 21st, 2016)

State Monologue

Reha Ulku: I must remind you that state is for 1 million people living in the same atmosphere, geography, etc. A colony in the space must have isolated parts, not whole one-piece because of physical limits. So they may behave differently like in ISS modules.

Reha Ulku: There may be one thousand people in a space colony at most in the 21st Century because of technological limits. Even a few hundreds may be limit for the same period.

Reha Ulku: Ie, state may not be needed for the space colony, but it may be needed Asgardia citizens on Earth.

(October 20th, 2016)

A Questionnaire and Answers

What type/form of government do you want for Asgardia?

(feel free to add)

+22 Direct democracy

+8 representative democracy

+4 liquid democracy

+2 peoples are everyone have equal governance power on Asgardia (no government)

+2 Democratic Republic

+1 Commune type autonomy (Ben de varım, 2)

+1 Anarcho-syndicalism

+1 Robot Overlords

+1 meritocratically weighted regionally devolved direct democracy with a centralised reprosentative democracy forming an upper house.

+1 Piratocracy

Anarchy 0

Authoritarian 0

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My command:

Reha Ulku: The list goes on interestingly. Democracy would have brought whatever it had if it could, in the last 2.5 millennia since Antic Greek. People halfly don't vote in G-7 countries today and still believe in democracy. Very interesting. It's like believing in a beatiful lie.

(October 19th, 2016, 19:30)

Published in unofficial Facebook group: Asgardia Politics and Diplomacy.

Triton and Dispossessed Designs: No State in the Space

Sciencefiction was the beginning of futurology and we are busy with futurology of Asgardia now.

Triton and Dispossessed was 2 novels and both were anarchists. It basicly means no state governing in the space. It is impossible to imagine this for some people, I know.

As we see in the last 40 years, space stations have modular structures. And taichonauts / kosmonauts / astronauts had no problem governing theirselves even during months. They were professionals, well educated, well prepared. They could behave autonomously.

Astronauts in space station Asgardia will behave differently than Asgardian citizens on the Earth.

Asgardia will have the same modular structure because of necessities at least in the beginning. So it is good no governing and autonomus human groups in the space station. May be they will evolve differently.

Otherwise, if there will be state, there will power elites, and bla bla bla, and war of course.

That is my offer. Please think about it. And read novels.

(October 19th, 2016)

Published in Asgardia internet official forum.